Archive for September, 2006

Short Rounds #27

After a one week recess – due to not really having much to share with you – SR is back! Hey, these links don’t just show up in my Favorites you know!

Pastor Drowns Trying to Walk On Water!

You may have already heard about this – but check this story out anyway. An African Pastor said he had a revelation, and that if he just had enough faith he could… well you know.

Even more incredible than that is the so-called explaination for how Jesus did it by Professor of Oceanography Doron Nof. You can go here to read more about this flight of fancy!

Archbishop of Canterbury Lord Carey Backs the Pope!

Well, before the Pope apologized anyway! Here’s just a piece of the article – which you’ve probably never seen in the Main Stream Media!

Lord Carey of Clifton has issued his own challenge to “violent” Islam in a lecture in which he defends the Pope’s “extraordinarily effective and lucid” speech.
Lord Carey said that Muslims must address “with great urgency” their religion’s association with violence. He made it clear that he believed the “clash of civilisations” endangering the world was not between Islamist extremists and the West, but with Islam as a whole.

The Muslim God – Consistently Inconsistent

This is truly a must read article! I had no idea that Islam’s vision of God is that He has absolutely no limits upon Himself what-so-ever!

That includes His own nature or His past statements! So Allah can say one thing today and another tomorrow. Of course that is completely different from the God of the Bible. He is never changing and cannot lie or violate His Word or Character.

Take time to read this one.

Father & Son

You may or may not be aware of some of the controversy surrounding Calvary Chapel and Chuck Smith and his son, who recently withdrew his church from the fellowship of Calvary Chapels. This LA times article will help fill you in if you’re interested.

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Relevance Vs. Theology/Spiritual Reality

Uuuuuuuuuuuuh – let’s get ready to RUMMMMBLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry, I couldn’t resist it! Given the nature of the ongoing and seemingly everlasting discussion about all this – it seemed to fit.

A lot of the blog posts I’ve been reading lately have gotten me to thinking about this topic again. I suspect the upcoming election is driving this, as it tends to drive most things in our country. There’s lots of pressure on Christians on all sides of the political spectrum to “stand up for the truth!”

Politicians are pushing the “God Button” in hopes of reaping votes from their base supporters. Everyone does this too – not just one party. We tend to talk about the Republicans when it comes to this, but let’s not forget how the religous left came of age duing the Vietnam war and has been driving most mainline churches ever since.

So today we face increasing calls to be “relevant” to our culture, to be “salt and light” in our society. Of course we’ve heard that for years, and I ought to know because I’ve been saying it just as loudly as anyone else!

The Importance of Relevance

I believe that it’s critically important for the church to be relevant to whatever culture it finds itself in. I believe this so much that about 7 years ago I completely changed the way I preach – and I mean completely!

I did so after attending the first ever Preaching For Life Change Seminar at Saddleback. I didn’t just change the way I outlined my messages and I didn’t just start putting little outlines in the bulletin either (I find that’s all many people think you have to do to preach in the “Saddleback Style” – wrong!).

Over a period of about five years or so I changed my entire preaching style. From what I wear, to how I move on stage to how loudly I speak, etc. It was all aimed at being more relevant to the unchurched.

I lobbied and finally got a Video Projector for the same reason. We were well behind the curve on that one, but were the first church in this town to have one.

Simply stated: I believe in being as relevant as we can be to our culture.

The Impossibility of Complete Relevance

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Should Preachers Steal, Study or…? Pt. 2

Yesterday I wrote what turned out to be Part One of this. Today I want to address what I originally intended to write about before I got carried away!

The responses to this post are very typical of what you see on most Christian blogs, and what concerns me quite a bit. So please understand I’m not picking on Phoenix Preacher here, just using them as an example.

I’m not at all bothered by the fact that a whole lot of people disagree with the Purpose Driven approach to church and life. As someone who largely follows it please believe me that I’m very well aware of the criticism directed at it and at the man who began the whole thing, Rick Warren.

I’ll also happily that some of that criticism is well founded. No one I know believes that the Purpose Driven Church approach is perfect, nor is Rick Warren either.

Having said all of that, here’s my question: Isn’t it incumbent upon us as Christians to disagree and debate in a loving and responsible manner?

I can’t imagine anyone would disagree with that. But when you look at many of the comments on this issue and many, many others on blogs all over the place, you don’t see much of that.

Here’s a few examples:

Notice how many times RW talks about size. I am thoroughly disgusted with RW and with anyone who uses the PD method.
R.W. is a punk! Scott H~ you can say that again, R.W. is a Punk! Here he is acting like he’s a real Pro! What a Poser!

That’s enough for you to get the idea. Calling people “punk” and “poser” etc. is not only not very helpful, it’s not very Christian either.

I’m sure none of this bothers Warren very much, he’s been taking all sorts for flak for what he does and how he does it and who he’s doing it with for years. But then it’s the pioneers who take the arrows isn’t it?

When I was reading those comments I kept thinking of a situation I’m aware of right now that a friend is going through in his church. I can’t really say anything specific of course, but let’s just say some people are dumping all over someone else, who’s no longer there and can’t defend himself.

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Should Preachers Study, Steal, or…? Pt. 1

I was checking out some of my favorite blogs yesterday when I came across an interesting post Phoenix Preacher. It caught my attention because it’s about preparation for preaching, something that always interests me.

The post is titled, Yet Another Sign The Apocalypse Is Upon Us and contains very few words!

This one is for pastors only.
Don’t study…STEAL

Those few words unleashed a torrent of comments, so many in fact that I just haven’t had time to read them all, but I did read a lot of them. And that’s what I want to talk about, but first let me digress.

The article in question is about using other preachers sermons as source material for your own. In fact the author, Steve Sjogren contends that this is a good thing.

Borrow creatively from others in the Church world. Some are easier to relate to than others. The one guy who is the most borrowed from in the United States is, no doubt, Rick Warren. Warren’s famous line is “If my bullet fits your gun, then shoot it!” By the way, who does Warren borrow from? He says that he listens to three or so preaching tapes a day! So who knows where he gets his stuff!

So he’s clearly in the let’s all work together and be honest about “borrowing” from each other. Of course this is often condemned by a lot of people, and I can understand why. But on the other hand what’s the difference between using information you got by listening to a sermon and using info gained from a commentary?

None that I can think of!

But, hey, each of us is free in Chirst to do what we think we ought to do. So I have no problem with guys who differ from me in this regard.

Where do I stand on this? Well I believe that we might as well be honest and admit we’re using other people’s stuff, because preachers always have and always will! It’s simply not possible to do otherwise.

Back around 1999 I went to Rick Warren’s first Preaching for Life Change seminar, and started to completely change the way I preach. I didn’t do this because people were complaining far from it! At the time that was just about the only thing someone wasn’t complaining about.

I did it to better reach my community for Christ, and it wasn’t easy! So for the first few years I tended to borrow heavily from Rick Warren and some others. In fact I used quite a few of his series which I experimented with how to prepare sermons in a completely different way than I had been taught a long time ago in Bible college.

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More Thoughts on The Seasons of Life

I’ve talked about the way life seems to flow from one kind of season to another before, on December 15th, 2005 and July 10th, 2006.
I’ve been thinking about this a lot over the last several months, and it’s been drawn to my attention again since I returned home from the Marine Raider Reunion in Nashville I attended. I returned to find that the heat had broke, the nights are cool and even the days aren’t really hot anymore (only in the 90′s, which ain’t hot here folks!!)

Of course you can’t really think about the seasons of life and not think about this passage:

There is a time for everything, and a season for every activity under heaven: a time to be born and a time to die, a time to plant and a time to uproot, a time to kill and a time to heal, a time to tear down and a time to build, a time to weep and a time to laugh, a time to mourn and a time to dance, a time to scatter stones and a time to gather them, a time to embrace and a time to refrain, a time to search and a time to give up, a time to keep and a time to throw away, a time to tear and a time to mend, a time to be silent and a time to speak, a time to love and a time to hate, a time for war and a time for peace. Ecclesiastes 3:1-8 (NIV)

I doubt anyone would disagree with those wise words. Everyone one of us has gone through distinct seasons of life, and is going though one right now whether we’re aware of it or not.

I can think of several people I know who are in the midst of some seasons right now. One friend of mine is in what I’d call A Season of Blessing. Things that have been prayed over and long for and sought after are raining down – it does my heart good to see the joy all this brings.

Others – quite a few in fact – seem to be in the midst of A Season of Physical Ailments. Either from accidents, or new illnesses or the illness of a parent or loved one, they suffer alongside the one they love as they seek to care for them, or suffer from their own illness.

Still others are in a Season of loss, or a Season of Confusion and yet others a Season of Growth.

I wonder just how aware we are of our own personal seasons, and how important that really is.

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Louie’s Law #7

See the world through their eyes.

If you really want to understand someone, or know how to communicate to them, or just want to know how to deal with them, you’ve got to understand how they think and feel.

Until you can look at the world through their eyes, and understand why they believe what they believe you’ll never really know how to deal with them.

Examples of the truth of all this litter our lives. Any marriage is a great test bed for this, as is any work place, politics, group, etc.

A glaring example is our current War on Terror. The disconnect we see between the reality of the situation we face and the proposed action (inaction much of the time) proposed by many people is clear – they do not understand the enemy.

But we must understand them if we are to defeat them!

I didn’t say we had to agree with them – far from it! But we have to understand their world view. To feel the power of their warped ideology before we’ll understand that you can’t compromise with Islamic Extremists.

From their perspective we are evil, and there are two and only two acceptable outcomes as far as they are concerned. We either convert, or we die.

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Our Desperate Efforts to Escape Sin

I read a great post on Jolly Blogger a few days ago that I’m only now getting around to commenting on. Believe me it’s been a hectic week so far! It features a quote from a Tim Challies post on an article by Dr. Powlison called The Ambiguously Cured Soul.
Here’s part of the quote:

“…Sin is its own final reason. Any theory that claims to explain sin actually falls prey to sin’s intellectual effects, and wriggles away from both theological truth and psychological reality. Sin is the deepest explanation, not just one more problem begging for different and “deeper” reasons.”

Of course the phrase that really caught my attention was “sin is its own final reason.”

Wow – there something to think about!

Modern Western thought is absolutely committed to, if not obsessed with, finding the causes for nearly everything people do, don’t do, think, feel or say. It’s actually become a sort of game with a lot of us I think: What Am I Feeling (or Doing or Saying, etc) & Why?

Yet the bottom line is that sin and our old sinful nature drives much if not nearly all of our behavior. Yet that’s rarely discussed in Christian circles today, you don’t hear many well known speakers explain the power of our sinful nature very often and you almost never read about it in popular Christian books either.

Here in the West the Church has largely adopted the psychological explaination of the human soul.

It’s not that I’m against much of what psychology has taught us. I think modern psychology is absolutely brilliant at finding problems in the human psyche and pretty good at discovering some of the root causes of those problems and the dysfunctional behaviors (to use a psych term!) that they cause.

I also think psychology is lousy at actually bringing lasting healing to the human heart and soul! And myriads of studies back me up on that.

So what we’ve ended up doing is using our search for causes as an excuse for the behavior. Knowing nothing of the forgiveness that Christ gives us through His Cross, we’ve decided that people are “sick,” that they have a “disease” and that therefore they are not responsible for their actions!

Bunk!

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The Importance of Symbolism

My recent first experience of being a Chaplain for the Raider Association got me to thinking – always a dangerous thing!

In particular on the flight back home I began thinking about the relative importance of symbols and symbolic acts in particular. A Chaplain is a symbol and acts in symbolic ways at certain occasions like Memorial Services, the beginning of important meetings, deaths, etc.

So too many Pastors act in symbolic ways in their community. From praying the invocation at city council or county board meetings, to performing weddings and funerals, there’s lot of symbolism involved in the ministry.

I have to admit, I’ve always disliked that quite strongly.

Maybe it’s my causal nature, or being a Baby Boomer with delusions of radicalism traipsing through my brain, but when I start in the ministry I chose to be involved with as little of that as possible.

Of course you can’t avoid weddings and funerals, and even in my tradition you end up doing a certain number of baby dedications (we only baptize believers, so we don’t christen babies, we “dedicate” them on request – which of course isn’t dedicating them at all – we actually dedicate the parents – but that’s another story!).

But through the years I’ve avoided praying at “offical” occassions as much as possible. After all, what good does it do?

Does anyone actually think people are going to be more honest, or act in a more Christ-like manner just because some guy stands up and offers a prayer?

Not likely.

But in the last few years I’ve begun to change my tune. My agreeing to become the Raiders Chaplain is, in a very real sense, a culmination of this process.

Part of what got me here is the realization that symbols really do have tremendous power. Of course I’ve known that for years, and have tried to use that in my ministry, but somehow failed to apply it to this particular part of my life and service.

All you have to do is look at a swastika to see what I mean. What do you think of when you see one? I’ll bet every single one of us think of Nazi Germany before we think of anything else.

Or how about the Golden Arches, or the Eagle, Globe & Anchor of the Marine Corps. And then of course there is the best known Christian symbol – the cross.

What do you think of when you see a cross burning in someone’s front lawn?

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Thanking A Vanishing Generation

As you may know I’ve been gone to the U.S. Marine Raider Association Reunion in Nashville. I’m back now and it was a very well run reunion, and an interesting experience for my personally.

This was my first Reunion as the Association Chaplain. Their former Chaplain, had to resign for health reasons. He served with the Dad during WW2 and has a great heart for God.

Needless to say, I was nervous about speaking to these old warriors, since I never served in the military. So after some great advice from my Dad, here’s what I said at the Memorial Service. I changed small parts of this as I spoke, but this is the written copy I spoke from and is nearly word for word what I said.

Marine Raider Reunion, 2006
Memorial Service Thoughts
By Louie Marsh, 9/10/2006

The Raiders are bonded in a special way.

Present day Marines go out of their way to shake hands when they see you wearing the Raider Patch, sometimes crossing the airport to greet you.

It is my belief that it is not due to honors and decorations Raiders have received but because the Raiders have a unique character that they recognize and want to honor in any small way that they can.

The term esprit de corps is thrown around a lot now days. The dictionary defines it as “A common spirit of comradeship, enthusiasm, and devotion to a cause among the members of a group.”

You Raiders embodied the true meaning of that term during WW2, and continued to do so during the 61 years since the war has ended. That’s why young Marines today revere not simply your accomplishments, but Raider Spirit that enabled you to overcome all obstacles that threatened to stop you from fulfilling your mission.

This Raider Spirit is symbolized by the Patch you wore and continue to wear today. You Raiders earned the right wear it proudly.

I, and all the other Raider Kids, have not earned that right, yet we wear it proudly as well. Not in a vain attempt to claim your glory as our own, but to honor your sacrifices, and to keep your legacy alive in the minds and hearts of your fellow countrymen as long as the nation endures.

And so this service is not a time to simple mourn those who have gone on before us. It’s also a time to remember and honor all Marine Raiders, living and dead. And for we who are your children, grandchildren, friends and family, it’s a time we give thanks to God for your service and sacrifices that have given us the lives and the freedoms we now enjoy.

It is also a time for us to say two simple words, however inadequate they may seem.

Those two words are: Thank You.

God bless you all, God bless the Marine Corps, and God bless America!

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Hangin’ with the Raiders

And I ain’t talkin’ about the Oakland Raiders either!

I’ll be gone for about a week. I leave for Phoenix today to spend time with my Mom and Dad. Then early Wednesday morning I’m off to Nashville to attend this year’s United States Marine Raider Reunion.

No, I was never a Raider, I’m not quite that old! But my father was, and as they transition the association to the next generation I’m a board member and just last month was appointed as their Chaplain.

If you want to know more about the Marine Raiders, visit my Dad’s site – the first site on the Net devoted to the Raiders and still the best IMHO!!

I’ll be posting again either next Monday or Tuesday, depending on when I return. Till then God bless everyone, and without any new posts, why not check out my nearly two years of archives?

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